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Wednesday, February 15, 2006


Ok, I just returned from vacation today and was following the Eddie Sutton situation as closely as you can while out. But while I was watching the OU debacle in Boulder, the ESPN break-in occurred to the Stillwater news conference. So I had to go splitscreen and watch ESPN News (knowing they'd have more live conference coverage) too. And it's time to open Pandora's box on this one. I can only imagine how many discussions we'll have on this over time, and honestly have no idea what Dillon's take will be. Seeing the OSU Recruit and Prentiss articles though - the pressure's on.

Here are some of my thoughts on this, as structured as I can make them right now:

- Gottleib repeatedly stated tonight he feels Eddie should have outright resigned and has likely coached his last game @ OSU. I definitely agree with that assessment, and felt that way when I heard he was taking the medical leave. But was even more convinced when I realized he gets credit for the wins while Sean mans the bench. Talk about backing into 800 wins.

- Having said that, I think Eddie has earned the right to go out on his own terms. He should be allowed to resign however he deems appropriate. In my opinion, one of two things will happen:

1. He'll officially resign and never coach on the sideline again.
2. He'll comeback next year, and end up sticking around even longer than he would have prior to the accident.

- I really wanted to hear Eddie had just taken too many painkillers. I really did. My mother-in-law (a registered nurse) even speculated (I think somewhat hopefully even if she's a Sooner fan) that diabetics often times have that "fruity odor" on their breaths that the media reported. Given how old he is and his alcohol history, diabetes seemed like a possibility. These are only two examples of how we really wanted to believe Eddie wasn't drunk.

- The question that keeps crossing my mind is regarding the Hall of Fame though. Eddie was already being punished for his Kentucky days by voters. Does he even get in now? It's conceivable (and somewhat likely) he'll get 800 wins and not be voted in - at least not while he's alive.

I do think if voters plan to vote him in at any point, there's no value served in waiting. If you ever think you'll vote for him, do it now and inaugurate him. He deserves to enjoy it in person if he ever goes in.

Needless to say this is not my most structured posting, but Eddie's already interesting story just got deeper. And the past few days are only an inkling of what we're likely to hear and read over the future months / years about him and his legacy. If I had to project right now, I'd say Eddie goes down as a tragic figure who was a great coach and just couldn't ever eliminate all the offcourt demons that haunted him.

I also wanted to point out that either in the Hawaii newspaper or the Los Angeles Times I was reading today, Kelvin Sampson was quoted speaking very glowingly about Eddie and how badly he felt about the whole situation. I didn't want to bring him into this, but Kelvin showed yet again that in spite of your personal opinions of him - he's a great person just like Eddie.

- Conor

Friday, February 10, 2006

Athletes in Society

Is it fair for athletes to get preferential treatment?

I followed the Prentiss Elliott story while he was at OSU, and most of you know that I was very critical of OSU signing him. I knew he was a superb athlete, but I also knew about his troubled past. Well, I quit following the story after Coach Gundy dismissed him from the team, and I just saw the sentence of his trial.

Elliott assaulted an off duty police man, acting as a security guard for high school basketball. The maximum sentence is one year in jail and $1000 fine. He was sentenced to a $250 fine.

This is ridiculous. The law system is failing to teach Mr. Elliott the lesson that he needs to be taught.


Monday, February 06, 2006

In Case there was doubt

Trouble is revealed in OSU recruit's past
Cowboys signee, a former Texarkana star, under indictment
01:48 AM CST on Thursday, February 2, 2006
By KATE HAIROPOULOS / The Dallas Morning News
Oklahoma State's class of 28 signees Wednesday included Chris Collins, a former Texarkana Texas star linebacker who has been indicted on one count of aggravated sexual assault against a 12-year-old.
Collins is enrolled at OSU and is expected to go through spring drills.
An OSU official said that coach Mike Gundy addressed the matter at a news conference, saying he had researched the situation in depth but would not elaborate.
Collins was named all-state as a junior in December 2003 and committed to Texas.
Sgt. Shawn Fitzgerald of the Texarkana police department said that four males were involved in an incident at an after-prom party in May 2004 and that three were charged with aggravated sexual assault – there is an outstanding warrant for one. Fitzgerald said Collins was one of two men arrested initially. There was a pretrial hearing Monday, but the Bowie County district attorney's office said a trial has yet to be scheduled.
Collins' biography, released by OSU on Wednesday, said the 6-1, 230-pound player has "a 450-pound squat and a 34-inch vertical leap to go along with his natural football ability."
Collins, who The Oklahoman reported last played as a junior and finished high school at an alternative school, was listed in OSU's media guide as early as last fall, though he apparently did not enroll at the school until last spring.

OSU Recruit

OSU is evidently using a new recruiting method, I saw them Mike Gundy at the Hornets game this weekend. He said he was trying to recruit another LB for the team. I asked him why would he then choose to watch a basketball game? He told me that he liked his linebackers to have the skills of an NBA player. I said who would that be? Kobe Bryant! Oh yes, it seems in his recruiting he has decided players who have the background of a Kobe Bryant are great prospects.

Chris Collins, the new LB that OSU signed after he left the University of Texsux is now being investigated the rape of a 12 year old girl. He and his buddies got one of the girls friends to convince her to go out with them, they then proceeded to get both drunk and take advantage of them. I understand every program has thugs, but just wanted to point, out that sense Mr. Orange Glasses, will never admit it, OSU has the same problems and will recruit anyone as well.